tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5315149808311345406.post8538413116863438941..comments2012-04-10T20:31:15.367-07:00Comments on Family Life in the Garden: The "Ya'll" of being Born Again.Martin Kidshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05127587011937425048noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5315149808311345406.post-77189515955712566162012-03-12T09:07:46.407-07:002012-03-12T09:07:46.407-07:00Charles,
Thanks for that link. I read it and real...Charles,<br /><br />Thanks for that link. I read it and really enjoyed it. <br /><br />Christianity will become potent again when the majority of Christians realize that the Biblical Story has to do with this life, first and foremost. <br /><br />Blessings,<br />MicahMartin Kidshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05127587011937425048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5315149808311345406.post-35643079954339525942012-03-09T21:35:54.579-08:002012-03-09T21:35:54.579-08:00http://charlesshank.blogspot.com/2010/10/hell-is-p...http://charlesshank.blogspot.com/2010/10/hell-is-present-reality-and-is-place-of.html<br /><br />This is an article I wrote a year or so ago, that pertains to this subject a little ( not the C & A argument, but the heaven & hell thing ).Charles Shankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02042934737059944268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5315149808311345406.post-47966217988561999592012-03-07T20:40:21.625-08:002012-03-07T20:40:21.625-08:00Tabatha,
Very good observations.
The reason a c...Tabatha,<br /><br />Very good observations. <br /><br />The reason a corporate body view of salvation ties into the C vs A debate is because both of them ignored the corporate aspect, or covenantal, framework of the Scriptures in favor or individualizing it all. <br /><br />Once you put "salvation" in a context of a corporate body you really move past the arguments of both A and C. And yes, I agree, Calvinism fails because the "elect" in Scripture is referring to Israel, or the elect remnant, IMO. (I used to be a staunch Calvinist.)<br /><br />I think you are correct to think that Jesus came to save the "covenant world" but that certainly has an impact on the rest of the world. Remember, Israel was supposed to take the Gospel to the nations. (Check out Mark 11:17 and where Jesus is getting that from the OT. Also check out this passage in light of John 3:16: John 11:49-51 & John 18:13-15)<br /><br />So, salvation is complete in the Body of Christ. We as individuals, through faith, come into that Body. The New Jerusalem is an immigrant nation, so to speak. <br /><br />I will agree that this is closer to Arminianism on the surface, but I think if you dug deeper you would see that there are vast differences. <br /><br />I see the OC as having a tiered structure. Land = Israel / Sea = Gentiles. We see the Gentiles in covenant with God but at a different level than Israel. The great thing about the NC is that there is no more distinction. We are all children of God through faith and we all have closer communion with God than even OT Israel. <br /><br />I think the last part of your comment was 100% on. What are we saved from? Well, I would answer that by saying that we are saved from darkness and a life without Light. You are exactly right that when someone is "saved" (just for the lack of a better term) they are being made alive through abiding in the Vine. Life comes from union with Christ. (But that doesn't mean they were dead before. You must have life before you can die.)<br /><br />Most will balk at this line of thought because of the traditions regarding Hell, etc., but I can't see anyone faithfully exegeting a continuation of the body of Adam post AD 70. <br /><br />Hell, Immortality of the Soul, and a few other deeply held traditions will be called into question though if one takes the route that you and I are on. Unfortunately, many don't want to question those doctrines. <br /><br />I pretty much ignore the C vs A debate now. I try to present a much more organic approach to the whole situation. Abide in Christ and He will abide in you. It's that simple. <br /><br />Thanks for the comment. <br />Blessings,<br />MicahMartin Kidshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05127587011937425048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5315149808311345406.post-27116692334123787612012-03-07T20:00:19.413-08:002012-03-07T20:00:19.413-08:00I understand what you are saying about the corpora...I understand what you are saying about the corporate body, but how does that tie into Calvinism vs. Arminianism? I come from an extreme Arminian background. If all one has to do is put faith in Jesus, it sounds very Arminian. After hearing your last podcast with NCE's I was wondering which view you took. I can't make myself grasp Calvinism. In John 3:16 where it says "that whosoever believes in Him will be saved" unless the "world" He was talking about was Isreal and not our definition of the world. But then again, there is no more 'sea', so would that not now include us in the 'world'? And to confuse things farther, when the elect is mentioned in the NT, is not that the Jewish people who were saved from the destruction of the nation (the 144,000), the chosen remnant? I think the way we use the term 'saved' is odd. The remnant was saved from the destruction of Jerusalem, but what are we 'saved' from? It seem to me that we have been granted life, especially since as a gentile, I was never born into the death of Adam. So...how do you deal with Calvinism vs. Arminianism? Do we have a choice?tabretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10311140576737625476noreply@blogger.com